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I recently heard Sam Laura Brown get interviewed on a podcast I occasionally listen to, and I immediately had three visceral reactions:

  1. This woman deeply understands what’s behind perfectionism and talks about it in a way I’ve never heard before. 
  2. I really want our listeners to hear her wisdom, because I know so many of them will relate. 
  3. Uh oh, I think I might be more of a perfectionist than I thought… 😬

Trust me, you’re going to want to listen to this one in-full, even if you don’t necessarily think of yourself as a perfectionist (Sam actually shares why so many perfectionists don’t see themselves that way). 

Listen in as Sam and I talk about…

After you’ve listened, leave a comment below to let us know how Sam’s wisdom resonated with you.



Sam Laura Brown is a perfectionism coach, host of the top-rated podcast The Perfectionism Project and founder of Perfectionists Getting Shit Done – a group coaching program for perfectionists who are building businesses. Sam teaches perfectionists how to follow through with their plans and get out of their own way in their business.

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  1. Woo hoo, Aussie Clarity on Fire fans are representing on the podcast this year! 😀 First me and now Sam – and we even have the same name, how wild is that?!

    This interview got me thinking about a childhood development docuseries I watched recently. One thing that really stood out to me is that I learnt that it’s just as damaging to praise a child for being smart as praising a child for being beautiful. The reasoning is that intelligence, similar to our beauty, is fixed. We can’t make ourselves more beautiful or have a higher IQ than what we’re born with. Instead, it’s much more beneficial to praise a child for having worked really hard at something. They do this experiment where they give 7 year olds a maths problem they can easily solve and praise them for being ‘so smart’, but then they give them a maths problem that is impossible for them to do. When the child inevitably fails, you can see they get really down about it. Then when they do the same experiment but instead praise the child for having worked really hard on the problem, when they fail they don’t seem as bothered by it and move on quite easily. They don’t internalise or personalise the failure.

    This interview reminded me of this and how we can unintentionally create a lot of perfectionist tendencies in children by praising them for their intelligence….

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