Breaking your phone addiction with Kristen Kalp


The first step of recovery is admitting you have a problem. And to be frank: We’ve got a problem. And we’re pretty sure you do, too.

Did you know that one of the metrics that measures phone addiction is if you can go 5 or more hours without touching it? Can you even REMEMBER the last time you did that!? ‘Cuz we can’t. GULP.

Did you know that the average person thinks they’re LESS addicted than everyone around them, even though the average person is actually touching their phone over 2,000 times a day?

Yes, you read that right. TWO THOUSAND.

So, to help break us our phone addictions, we sat down with Kristen Kalp, a poet, writer, coach, empath, introvert, and most importantly, person-who-has-somehow-managed-to-only-be-on-her-phone-for-an-hour-per-day.

On this episode of the Clarity on Fire podcast we talk about:

  • The uncomfortable facts and figures that prove that you, like pretty much everyone else you know (except maybe like, your 85-year-old grandparents), is addicted to your phone.
  • Why we compulsively reach for our phones 24/7, and what we’re avoiding when we scroll.
  • Why you’ll never be as creative, interesting, smart, well-rested, grounded, and at ease if you’re always tied to your phone.
  • Why being addicted to your phone is 100% tied to feeling like you’re “existing” rather than “living.”
  • Strategies to help you let go of your habit gradually, and how to handle the withdrawal when it inevitably sets in.

If you’d like to join the two of us in doing Kristen’s 21-day email-based course all about breaking your phone habit, you can sign up here! It starts on June 11th.

Full disclosure, Kristen asked us if we’d like to be an affiliate of her program, and we said yes! So we may receive a portion of proceeds if you sign up for her course. But, in typical Krachel fashion, we only endorse things we personally love and are doing ourselves. This is one of those things!

After you listen, come leave a comment to let us know just how addicted you are to your phone, and what you intend to do to break your habit.


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  • Sharon

    I am LOVING all of the episodes. Your podcast is fantastic and I am so thankful you guys decided to take the plunge and express your ideas through this new medium.

    Thank you Kristen as well for the cellphone disease revelation. I never thought I was one of those people, addicted to social media and screens… but to be honest I challenged myself to “make space” this weekend and it’s not that easy! Thank you for opening my eyes.

    Can’t WAIT to see (listen!) what’s next.

    • Rachel East

      Thank you so much for listening, Sharon! And yeah, I didn’t think I was addicted either until we had this uncomfortable conversation! I’m way more motivated to cut down on my screen time now.

  • Todd Chenore

    You mention thinking back to when you were a kid, what you liked to do. Well, I absolutely loved (and still do) video games as a kid. I started playing when I was about six so I cannot even remember what I liked to do before this. For me they’re interactive stories and I also love reading. I have lots of great memories playing certain games and playing with my friends as well as alone but I’m thinking this is not really what was meant in this podcast (which I really like thank you). Can you expound on this?

    • Rachel East

      Hi Todd,

      Great question! I think the intention of Kristen’s question was to help you discover how you might choose to spend your time if you weren’t so wrapped up in your phone or in mind-numbing activities. When we’re kids we tended to be really good at pursuing things that brought us joy, and we lose that sense of wonder and adventure as adults. I think it’s totally cool if video games did (and still do that) for you. This brings to mind a blog I wrote a few months back — maybe this will help spur more thoughts for you: